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From ANDREW DRUMMOND,
Bangkok
October 11 2011
Drew Noyes & Thai Immigration & Labour Law Part 1
Two Filipina girls hired by self-proclaimed ‘newspaper publisher, philanthropist, and legal expert’ in Thailand have broken their silence on their ordeal after fleeing their jobs all but penniless after just four weeks.
Both women – who were recruited by American Drew Noyes (pictured right) to work on his newspaper the ‘Pattaya Times’ and for his supposed law office ‘PAPPA Co.Ltd.’ – claim they were: put to work illegally while on tourist visas and had to call home for funds to make their escape.
The promises: Reality was that the girls paid their own air fares, and tourist visas, had their salaries cut and were thrown on the street when they complained.
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At the centre of the controversy is 55-yr-old Drew Noyes who was first exposed in 1995 by an American newspaper for his ‘myriad lies, phony resume, bogus share dealing’ and a history of dodgy property deals.
In Thailand Noyes affected a ‘high class’ persona and repeatedly had his photograph taken in an apparent effort to elevate himself from the hoi polloi to associate with persons of influence.
Among his targets was Her Excellency Kristie Kenney (above) the United State Ambassador to Thailand, which would have been easy enough because she has been liberal with photocalls and he owned a ‘newspaper’ of sorts.
Noyes was exposed again 16 years later on this website for producing another phony resume,cheating foreigners on property deals, and producing a totallyfraudulent newspaper on the back of other people’s work.
Today we examine Noyes’ claim to be an expert on immigration law and visas for foreigners and, much as we expected, victims claim, and we will show, this American runs this service by either deceit, fraud, indifference or incompetence or a combination of them all.
Noyes, who describes himself in his own resume as the ‘most credible, friendly and reassuring foreigner to make Thailand his home’, claims to be an expert on Thai Immigration law and boasts of his friendly relationship with top immigration officials.
But evidence shows that while posing for pictures and ingratiating himself with top Immigration Officials from Thailand’s
Chonburi Region he was deliberately flouting the immigration and labour laws himself.
Noyes posed for a picture (above) earlier this year with Police Colonel Chusak Panutumpon, the new Chief of Chonburi Immigration office located in Pattaya, and in the picture he clutched an Immigration 90-day reporting form.
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Noyes offered to promote a ‘reporting by mail scheme’ in his Pattaya Times. (But rather than follow the instructions below I would advise people to download the forms direct from immigration not least because the link Noyes provides does not get you an immigration form let alone a newspaper coupon for discount on a box of soap powder.)
This is how Drew Noyes reported his meeting with the immigration chief.
But while Noyes has been, he claims, ‘advising’ Immigration Police and even the Mayor of Pattaya Ittiphol Kunplume (below from the Pattaya Times) back at chez PAPPA his company located under National Housing Authority apartments in Thepprasit Road, Jomtien, he was happily giving scant regard to the laws himself.
We begin first with two Filipinas who were employed by Noyes until very recently. Here follows what they said after being lured by an advert in his ‘Pattaya Times’ and on
www.tagged.com by Noyes who blew internet kisses and bombarded them with links to his profile and pictures of course of him with the Mayor of Pattaya, Immigration Police Colonel Chusak Panutumpon, and not least of all the US Ambassador to Thailand.
Looking for staff from Philippines on Tagged.com
In the case of Girl ‘A’, even though she had not completed college in the Philippines, she was convinced by Noyes’s internet resume that it was ‘professional data’.
In an email to this site she told how she was first messaged by Drew Noyes on www.tagged.com
She said: ‘My short story that I want share to everyone is about my previous job in Pattaya,Thailand. I am a Filipina who worked as office assistant staff at PAPPA ,Co., Ltd. On February 2011 I received a messaged from someone who wanted to be my friend on TAGGED” and I started to getting know him when he sending an email every week. He asked my help to find Filipinas who wants to work his company.
Here is his message :
• Give A Gift
• Give Tags
From:Drew Noyes
To:Me
Date:February 26, 2011 at 11:03am
Subject:Re: Hi xxxx
Message:
Good morning .xxxxxxx” So Nice to know you. Today it is raining here at market in Pattaya Beach. It will be a beautiful day in a few hours.
Can you help me with finding staff for receptionist, internet research and office staff? I am planning a trip to the Philippines soon so I can hire 6 new staff right away because we are opening a new office for my newspaper and internet marketing company. I would like to hire a few Thais also.
If you know anyone who is a nice person like you, can speak English and likes to learn to do new things on the internet ask them to send their CV or resume to editor@pattaya-times.com or to me drew@pattayalawyers.com. Thanks!
P.S. I would like to have you working with me, too!
Girl A: ‘I told him before I wanted also to work..but I still needed to wait until my graduation. But this guy he never stopped emailing me and sending links about his Profile Background. Here is the sample links that he always send to me before :
P.S. See my details at http://th.linkedin.com/in/drewwalternoyes
Read the latest news for the Times of Your Life in Pattaya on the Pattaya Times newspaper website
http://www.Pattaya-Times.com/
Get access to legal and visa help in Thailand http://www.PattayaLawyers.com
Girl A: ‘It’s like encouraging someone to agree what he wants..coz when you noticed the links it’s really professional data right? I was thinking also that time it’s a good opportunity to get an experience . So I decided to agree because he told me I don’t need to spend money just to go Thailand.
The reason why because this guy is the one who promised to organize
FREE VISA With WORKING PERMIT FREE ACCOMMODATION..
Girl ‘A’ (WOW!! Absolutely sounds nice…Here is message from him i received b4 :
• How many kids do you gave dear ?
• We have several businesses and if you want to work OT then you can make a lot of money to send home …..
Followed by:
Drew Walter Noyes: Oh Excellent! You are coming to the right place at the right time
Drew Walter Noyes: oh Yes, xxxxx . You have a job waiting for you in Pattaya. When are you arriving? Your monthly salary will depend on you. We will start you at 12,000 baht per month, but I am sure you will advance quickly.
§ Give A Gift
§ Give TagsFrom:Drew Noyes
To:Me
Date:February 24, 2011 at 9:53pm
Subject:Re: Hi xxxxx
Message:
Yes, we will. I really want to know you more. I think you are very special.
Girl ‘A’ however became less special when she turned down an offer made by Noyes after she arrived in Pattaya. Bang went the free visa. Bang went the salary and bang went the overtime payments.
As she had arrived on a Tourist Visa Noyes could not apply for a work visa for the girl so that deception was fairly obvious, so no payment was necessary.
But then again perhaps of course his visa advisory service did not know this!
‘At the beginning he treated me good, maybe because he wanted something from me. He always invited us for dinner. Then one night he asked me to go out for dinner , to drink and meet his friends at a go-go bar.
Drew Noyes and ‘wife’ Kung – but he wanted Filipina
“He said: ‘You don’t need to worry about my wife (Kung). She knows about it and I need to know more about you’.
”But I think 100% he is not telling his wife (Kung). I really did not know how much was real about my boss that time. So went with him and I could not imagine my boss liked watching girls dance naked.
Wild dance
‘I told him that was my first time to see such wild dance. He said: ‘In Philippines you have that also. When I was in Angeles city it’s similar to Pattaya’.
” I said ‘Anyway sir. I don’t know about it because I’ve never been to that kind of place. I just like drinks and watching live bands or going to a disco’.
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‘ I needed to pretend to be happy and enjoy his company every time he asked if i’m okay.
PAPPA Co. Ltd., where the Filipinas were employed.
‘I didn’t do bad things about him when I was there. But he gave me big scars that are not erased in my mind. At the time I respect him as my boss but he never respected me, or cared for his staff.
‘Even someone is sick he does not care. He just pretended to care about his staff. That’s Mr. Drew Walter NOYES.’
Girl ‘A’ apologises for her English but we get the message loud and clear.
In their investigation into Noyes in 1993 journalists from the Wilmington Morning Star in North Carolina discovered files which showed he had run away from a company after a firing a junior worker who had refused to have sex with him.
He allegedly stated it was a conditon of her employement.
Noyes was being pursued for damages on behalf of the woman.
Not surprisingly Noyes made claims against the woman, that she had a substantial criminal history etc.
These claims were never verified and he never stuck around to provide the evidence.
Not true, said the woman’s lawyer Gary Kurtz: ‘She refused and he fired her. That’s pretty offensive.”
Meanwhile Girl ‘B’ from the Philippines has not only confirmed A’s story but had a few other words to say herself.
‘I’m one of the Filipinas working for Drew before. I saw an article on the Pattaya Times website that promised working visa and air fares and a high salary to work in Pattaya for Drew Noyes.
Above: Drew gives a link to a Filipina on tagged.com to a Pattaya Mail report of talk at Pattaya City Expats Club in which he says he came to Thailand advise the Bank of Thailand
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‘I wanted to do this so I could send money back to my family. “After working for one month and with overtime and Sunday working instead of receiving 15,000 baht plus over times I received only 7,000 baht after Drew took out money for the visa he said he would pay for.
Accommodation courtesy of the Thai Government Housing Authority apartments for the poor…until the Filipinas complained they had no money.
“The visas were tourist visas even though we were working in his legal office. When I left to find a job that paid more Drew rang my mom and dad and told them I got sick because I went to a bar and got drunk and didn’t come to work.
Drew Noyes also used the name ‘Bob’ on the net. Here he is telling a Filipina he does not want sex.
‘ I was really sick and he knew it because he saw me. I never went to a bar in Pattaya when I was there.
‘When in Pattaya my friend and I met a American couple who, when we said we were working for Drew, felt sorry for us and bought us dinner and gave us 200 baht.
‘They then took us to an internet cafe and showed us the truth about Drew on the noyeswatch site.
‘What we had heard about Drew we hoped was just rumor but it was actually was worst than what was written about him. We both came to send money back to our families but ended up they had to send money to us and we lost money we could not afford to lose’.
Finally here’s Noyes message to a Filipina who rumbled him on tagged.com but whom he believes is me.
Update: Drew Noyes spoke to my internet chap today to say the Filipinas had retracted the story. I thought I would check and got this.
Any inaccuracies found on stories on this website will be corrected and updated if a complaint is made and found to be valid.
To be continued: Part 2: An American couples’s ordeal
That final email looks very much like a threat.
Oh dear… I have known guys to lead Thai girls 'up the garden path' so to speak but to deceive the Girls and make them fly to a foreign country with an ulterior motive is borderline Human Trafficking! Drew the pervert, Drew the Human Trafficker.. It gets worse by the day, keep up the good work Andrew and have the police found you yet 🙂
I met Rose, one of the Filipinas you are clearly writing about who confirmed your story. So sad…
KRR: The picture was taken in a bar Noyes attends. I have censored it. But I will have another look again and be more severe. I would not wish to offend.
Andrew… i am not offended with the picture, i understand what you are doing, but I thought that maybe someone in Pattaya might like to make a complaint to the police about pornographic images on your website… 🙂 – You never know….. Just my thoughts…
And with that your dossier on the Pattaya con artist is on its way to the Thai authorities, I hope.
It would be a real feather in the cap of the Royal Thai Police if they were to bring in this guy and make an example of him to show you can't flout the law on Thai soil. How can a farang with such a chequered past be allowed to treat ASEAN citizens with such contempt? Whether they be Filipinas lured overseas to work illegally or Thais passed over for employment? To be honest Andrew if I were you I'd be very worried indeed and heed that chilling message from Mr Noyes. He obviously has some serious protection here in the Kingdom and immunity from prosecution. What other explanation can there be for his liberty to swizzle?
Rodger, no one has connected the dots as Mr Drummond has done. Now the picture is drawn, the crowds gather for the exhibition.
Anyone want to bet whether Noyes does jail time or skips the country first ? BTW IS anyone transmitting this information to H.E Kenney? She may wish to not include Noyes on any more day trips to jelly bean factories.
Hopefully his swizzle liberty is all in his head. I am wondering if his editor has filed for divorce yet…considering those pics…she could end up with a pile of housing authority condos out of it. As for the porno photos…I feel this site is getting somewhat saucy of late…thats why I keep coming back.
What a charming fellow Noyes is, just when it couldn't get any worse.
Love these Noyes stories and all your work – keep them coming!
I really hope the authorities will look into this guy. It doesn't seem he has any income, so I guess he doesn't have any ""influential friends"" in Pattaya either.
saucy is not an epithet i would have used for andrew's informative site, sam; but yes i too keep coming back to read the excellent work he continues to do in his usual terrier like style
i hope noyes and other expats here who are preying on their fellow expats will soon find they are on borrowed time
Andrew, as you have mentioned in many of your articles, threats are everywhere in your business. You have been taken to court, you have been blatantly threatened, you have received veiled threats, and you know how to handle them. Some people seem to even threaten using other peoples words. These types, are, as you know, referred to as “Fear Mongers�. These fear mongers usually have underlying interests and will promote another persons agenda covertly. Something people in your position recognize that most others fail to see is that those who truly have connections don’t flaunt them. It’s the ones who fantasize that they are “well connected� that throw names (and in this case pictures too) around in hopes that they can draw others into their fantasy in order to ward off people that get in their way or have the potential of exposing them for what they really are. As has been proven many times, no one is untouchable! Though Rodger may be well meaning in his warning, … he is not you. What may seem “obvious� to him, you may see as only “smoke and mirrors�. Keep up the good Journalism and investigative reporting, yours is an obvious and refreshing contrast to Drew’s feeble plagiaristic attempts at it.
Well this is only the tip of the iceberg so to say. Pattaya is actually a small place and
I personally know at least a half a dozen other (ex staff) which have been pressured into being his GIG (free translated into ""one night stand or mistress"") as he calls it. For this predator it does not matter if the woman is married and/or outright ugly, anything without a tale will do. The office maid was no exception.
Dear Andrew
May i recommend you to censor the pictures with the naked girls so nobody can say you publish pornographic material here in Thailand.. Just my thoughts….
PS: Great article!
This is the most biased story I've ever heard you write and the pictures of the nakid girls are not necessary what a load of crap.
I agree with KRR, Andrew. Noyes is going to jump all over that naked picture. Please don't give him any ammunition!
Ned Pflug – Stop giving him ideas. Anyway he is out of Pattaya and off to the US I gather.
Hope he is not off to the US for good…things will be awfully quiet in here if he is gone…maybe more booby shots will fix that.
Thai?? Biased towards who? All the woman in his life he treats like dirt? Do you know the guy in person?
Andrew. This man has an untreatable medical condition, Sociopathy.And a severe case at that. By being a sociopath one of the symptoms is that he honestly doesnt know he has it. In his mind he is doing nothing wrong and really believes that everything is everybody elses fault and nothing will convince him otherwise.If it were depression or szichophrenia he could be treated and everybody would sympathise but sociopaths are just so annoying.So, what to do with Drew Noyes? He has to be exposed to protect the innocent but bear in mind he believes he is doing nothing wrong. Sociopaths only feel sorry for themselves. for many reading your expose it is hilarius but for those who become financially exposed to him they are guarenteed to lose. His wife seems to go along with everything he does. You should be exposing her as it is doubtful she has it too as sociopaths generally do not end up marrying together as it just does not work out.
Dr Ed, What you said about a sociopath is absolutely true,… except the part where you referred to drew as a “man�. He is not a “Man� in the true sense but he keeps trying to prove that he is. This is how he proves it to himself. He has to lure them in. Being unable to attract women by any other means he resorts to hiring them under the condition of having a “relationship� with him; and if they are desperate enough they will succumb in order to survive. You have heard and seen what happens when he is “turned down� by his “mark� of this type. With them, it is not money that he is after; he (in his own twisted mind) is proving his superiority and feeding his sexual appetite, while showing other real men that “drew can get any woman he wants�. When he finishes with them he moves on totally unconcerned about the condition he leaves them in. In some cases he has lured them away from a lower paying but secure job (the girls don’t realize that he has no intention of paying them higher wages) or away from continuing their education by promising them that he will take care of them. In oiher cases he has seen a use for them and “secures� them by having a child, or two, or three, well you get the picture. This is not a “Man� this is a “predator.�
Dr Ed, I disagree with your diagnosis slightly (PS: I do have M.Sc after my name), Both Sociopathy and Psychopathy do not exist in the latest diagnostic manual, but are sub definitions of Anti-Social Personality disorder.. Noyes exhibits more Psychopathy in the way in which he may groom his victims over months or even years, his victims could even be friends, acquaintances or even family. A sociopath would usually be less intelligent and his actions would be poorly planned and maybe more off the cuff. Narcissism is also another personality disorder that Noyes clearly appears to suffer from and often found co-morbid with Socio/Psychpathy.. Narcisus was a mythical god who fell in love with his own reflection in the Water. Narcissists are often very skilled manipulators and often able to fool even highly skilled professionals – they have elevated feelings of self-worth and Delusions of grandeur.. this is evident in almost everything Noyes does/writes.. A narcissist will even believe his own fantasies.. A narcissist requires constant narcissistic supply, he needs needs constant attention, when he don't get enough he finds a way, for some it may be exhibitionism/irrational behaviour but for Noyes the answer seems to be to print a newspaper or create another social network profile.. narcissists are often the first to lend a hand, the first to offer advice because they need that person to provide the narcissistic supply, but for the one being assisted should beware of condition 1 – Socio/Psychopathy.
The psychologist Robert Hare in his book, ""Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths among Us"", argues that psychopathy has a genetic predisposition. He goes on to state that many psychopaths have a pattern of mating with, and quickly abandoning women, and as a result, have a high fertility rate. These children may inherit a predisposition to psychopathy. Hare describes the implications as chilling.
God help us all in pattaya if this is correct.
Dr Ed and lee, Drew Noise is not a sociopath and is not a psychopath. He is a very special catergory of insane.He is obviosly a SOCIOPATHIC PSYCOPATH. While he does groom people in the long term like a psycopath he also shows short term stupidness like a sociopath as evidenced by his pathetic attempts to attack Drummond who catches himout everytime. He lies so much that he believes the bullshit himself. The sexual control he uses over his staff is caused by his condition. Nothing will change.He is delusionalto the extreme.
If even half true, and these matters are rarely black and white, what a scumbag for bringing in foreign nationals and then treating them like s***.
Cannot say it is the only time I have ever seen something like this. The Philipines have rules on exported workers to prevent exploitation, shame no-one bothered to follow them. But what can you expect from Immigration experts?
My fly on the wall whispered to me that Mr. Noise and a cameraman from Pattaya People (Niels Colovs outfit) are flying tomorrow to the Philippines 12 Nov 2011 that is. Maybe the poor misused Philippina's who were tricked to work for P.A.P.P.A. company should be warned that he is on the way? Who knows he wants to record these girls and their family? Maybe they have a way of dealing with this kind of people we don't know off?
Pat, Drew may be going for some other distorted purpose altogether but if he is going to see these girls and their families; he will follow his Modes’ Operandi, he will offer the family, that is obviously in need of support, a minimal amount of money. In return he will insist that they retract statements they have made. This EXTORTED written (possibly filmed for dramatization) retraction will then be used to show his innocence here in Thailand.
Patangko: No worries. If he goes near these girls he will be arrested by NBI. They are in regular touch.
He is a sick sick person.
(Sorry I have edited this post but the last bit seemed fairly safe)
While there is understandable belief that he cannot keep his member in his trousers for any length of time. I think I would probably need witnesses and a signed statement for what you allege.
Is he a sexpat? I cannot say other than he goes to the same places sexpats go. As a journalist, like me, he can claim that as research.
Interesting observation in the Pappa photo, it seems the printer has delivered his pattaya-times bundles… Where's the other 499'000?
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