FROM ANDREW DRUMMOND,
Bangkok, November 29 2011
(Updated December 1 2011)
A Philippines senator has been asked to look at the case of a young Filipina woman, who was enticed to work in the Thai beach resort of Pattaya by an American newspaper publisher, then forced to leave after she claimed she refused to become his mistress.
Although the woman, known as Rose, actually resigned, she had no choice because, she claims, American Drew Noyes, who has featured many times on this site, cut her salary by two thirds from 12,000 baht to 4,000 baht a month. Earlier she had declined his request to become his mistress, she said.
She and another Filipina, who claims her promised salary was cut from 15,000 to 7,000, left at the same time. They were told immediately to vacate their accommodation and had to seek help from home to fly back to the Philippines.
Now a complaint has been lodged with American educated campaigning Manila Senator Ramon ‘Bong’ Revilla Jr, (LEFT) who was brought up in Los Angeles. The young Filipina hopes that the former Governor of Cavite he will be easily able to familiarize himself with her case and Drew Noyes ,as not only was he educated in the Unites States, but has also been an actor and comedian, having won the ‘Best Comedy Actor of the Year’ Award in the PMPC TV Awards of 2001.
But on a more serious note he is a well known Philippines Woman’s Rights Campaigner. Women’s Rights are not up to par in either Thailand or the Philippines so we have to wait and see.
Among items for his study are emails from Drew Noyes offering, free visa, free work permit, and free accommodation. He subsequently is alleged to have employed the girls on tourist visas, did not and could not apply for work visas, and threw them out of their accommodation in a National Housing Association block when they refused to accept his downwardly revised salaries.
He had found the young women by promoting himself on the social website tagged.com, where he posted his inflated biography and pictures of himself with with the US Ambassador to Thailand, the Mayor of Pattaya, the Chonburi Immigration Chief and Harald Link sponsor of the Thai Polo Club.
The story of both the Filipinas was carried earlier at this link. Last week Noyes harassed her by email and threatened to sue her if she did not help him sue this site.
In an angry exchange of emails which followed, publish below, Noyes, described the girl as a ‘piece of trash’, and a ‘nasty piece of shit’, insisted she had come on to him, and said he had a police witness, who was outside a go-go bar in Pattaya ready to testify that ‘you were trying to hold me, but I politely pushed you away’.
(That’s a line I reserve for my wife.)
Drew Noyes offering to print visa forms. But did he flout immigration laws?
He said he would be reporting her name to Thai Immigration, the Philippines Labor Department, and added that maybe she could share a cell with ‘the other liar’ Andrew Drummond. In any case unless she confessed in church she would ‘burn in hell’.
He also said he was investigating the ‘bars’ Rose worked at.
The terms which Drew Noyes used were not legal jargon, but in fairness he has reduced internet claims from being the only American lawyer allowed to practice law in Thailand, to an American running a law office in Pattaya.
But this, I can reveal, is also not true. His ‘law company’ PAPPA does not have even have a licence to practice law. Its stated business is accountancy.
Miss Rose said she would like to withhold comment until she hears from the senator. But she would be happy to make a statement in the Philippines for the Philippines or Thai authorities.
She says Noyes is lying.
From: Drew Noyes <drewnoyes@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:45 PM
Subject: You are a liar
To: “name-removed@gmail.com” <name-removed@gmail.com>
Rose, You are a piece of trash and a liar just like Andrew. Andrew will turn on you in court and your name will be given to Thailand immigration and PI Labor. Also Kung and I will name you in the next police report. Maybe you can share a jail cell with the other liar? Send this to Andrew too, you nasty piece of shit.
Kung – Wanrapa Boonsu, supposed editor of the Pattaya Times and Noyes ‘wife’.
From: name removed <name-removed@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: You are a liar
To: Drew Noyes <drewnoyes@gmail.com>
Mr. Drew Noyes
I have told the truth to Andrew Drummond. I was trying to forget this matter. But I understand this has been reported to the authorities in Thailand and I will cooperate with any local official who comes to see me on behalf of the Thai authorities. If that happens I will ask that police/NBI in Manila or Angeles will be given a copy.
You have a bad memory. What has Kung got to do with this. She was not there!
From: <drewnoyes@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: You are a liar
To: name removed < name-removed@gmail.com>
OK, good. If thats what tou want to do then so they have ALL the facts I will forward immigration in both countries the emails you sent telling me you don’t need a work visa because you came to Thailand before and worked using a tourist visa. We told you you needed a Business visa. Let’s see what they say.
Also, I have a statement from the Thai policeman who sat with us at the Gogo on Walking Street when you got drunk and were trying to hold me but I politely pushed you away.
Finally, we are investigating your background and the bars you worked in there. You lied on your CV about where you worked and when you came here you did many bad things. We will interview your girlfriend and some people who saw you on Walking Street for more details.
Please participate in helping the coward Drummond. You deserve the cosequences.
We have a police specialist in computer crimes searching the history on the computers in the office you all used and when we find you copied files or transferred them illegally we will prosecute the offenders.
Go to church and confess your lies and ask for forgiveness for what you did to hurt our business and our family. When you lie, you burn in Hell. We give you one last chance to appologize for false statements. Take the opportunity, or prepare to defend your actions.
From: name-removed
Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Subject: I am not ‘Liar
To: Drew Noyes <drewnoyes@gmail.com>
Mr. Noyes,
Your lies and threats do not worry me now. I have already received assurances from the ‘real’ correct people that I can come to Thailand without fear if I should chose to do so. In fact I am being asked to do so. You offered a work permit. You did not say I could not get a work permit on a tourist visa, nor my friend.
Your suggestion that I tried to hold you is quite repugnant. I have never worked like a go go bar .Yes! I do worked at the Bar and Restaurant, as a Assistant Manager .We do served foods and Beers. But not the one you tried to compared like a go go bar. You must think all Filipinas do. I have never been to a bar such as you showed me.I’ve been walking street to watched live band,Hip hop or reggae bar. Please do not come back to my country. I shall not reply to any more of our emails.
Drew Noyes’ office staff remain puzzled about his police computer expert. And Rose’s friend is certainly not willing to help Drew Noyes. He besmirched her character too. This is what she wrote to this site:
“The visas were tourist visas even though we were working in his legal office. When I left to find a job that paid more Drew rang my mom and dad and told them I got sick because I went to a bar and got drunk and didn’t come to work.”
COMMENT
Its time to salute this girl Rose. Regulars of this site will already know how Drew Noyes lured Filipinas to Thailand. He sent them all his ridiculous autobiography and lots of pictures of him with relatively well known and/or respected people. To them he seemed a well connected gentleman. Once they arrived things were not quite as they seemed. His office in Thepprasit Road, Jomtien, was on the tacky side. They were put in government housing designed for the poor people of Pattaya (but being sold by Noyes to the comparitively rich) . But still, as Filipinas do, they called him ‘Sir’ whenever they saw him. He charmed them with a couple of dinners and then apparently set his sights on the slimmer of the two, Rose. He took her out for an evening saying ‘Don’t worry Kung (his wife) knows everything. There’s no problem’. His idea of fun was to take her out to a go-go bar, where Rose said the girls danced naked, and was either shocked or very uncomfortable. Noyes seemed to assume that all girls in the Philippines danced ‘a-go-go’, and, and from his language he suggests she is a ‘bar girl’. He certainly assumed wrongly, as he has stated in print, that all Filipinas speak English. The bone of contention is whether Noyes offered her an apartment if she would be his mistress (He has many government ones to spare). To be frank credibility is not something Noyes has a lot of, nor does his track record help his case. But Noyes never believes ill of himself of course and his foul language gives him away. Not only that his foul language and outrageous statements have driven to fury two girls, who in one way or another were already used and abused and had learned a salutory lesson. They will not be easily believing people on the internet again. I hope Senator Ramon ‘Bong’ Villeras takes up the case. I hope a despatch is sent from the Philippines Government to the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and I hope Mr. Noyes is called to account. Congratulations to both these girls for their courage and for seeing the bully that he is and especially to Rose. Despite Noyes’ slimey innuendos her reputation here is exemplary.
Who is Drew Noyes? Read -An American – myriad lies – and influential people
Drew, if you have any last remaining microscopic thread of dignity, give this up. The game ended a long time ago… you lost.
I do believe that life is catching up with this critter big time.
Its wonderful to think that this young lady had the class and decorum not to succomb to this pathelogical liar. Hopefully Noyes is running out of places to hide!
Drew is promising to ride you Andrew…how sweet. About time all this nastiness was swept aside and some lurv filled the air.
Noyes' modus operandi is really quite crude.If the victim's allegations weren't true why the level of intimidation involving abuse, threats and libel?
Sometimes a good thrashing is the only thing these shysters understand and fear. They are generally, at heart, miserable little cowards of absolutely no moral fibre. He's certainly found his niche in Pattaya.
Drew must have promised Ned some lovin too…
Sorry AD I have to say it as you do it, too in this article's intro.
Referring to grown women as ""girls"" really reinforces the notion that women's value is in their attractiveness and youth. Really, would you ever refer to young men of similiar age as,
"" boys "" witin an article? It goes along with women in Thailand having to declare marital status within their titles- Miss ( unmarried) or Mrs (married) are the only choices, Ms. is not used. Until the labels are lost,and sexually charged language is changed, look at all the ads for ""girls"" all over the forums, women will never achieve equality or even hope to become more than purveyors of sex and personal body/household servants.
Is Noyes gonna get a ""Bong"" hit? ! Seems Noyes is the one hanging out at prostitute bars and allegedly taking his employees to them in an effort get laid. Did you get Ms. Rose drunk, Noyes? And then maybe left her out front to fend for herself ? Was that why she was ""holding.."" unto you? No doubt because you don't rape anyone you see nothing predatory in your behavior. NO ONE has any respect for you and forget escaping your past anymore.
Clearly this girl is not daft.. While Noyes' threats might work with uneducated farm girls.. She clearly knows she's in the right and what a pathetic loser Noyes is.. Police witness LOL, like anyone believes a word he says anymore.
My apologies Christy. I will leave my gaffs in there uncorrected so people can see what you have complained about. Slipped in unintentionally, but probably subliminally. I was not around for the total PC corrective tuition. I used to call my mum the 'old girl' and am afraid I still use the expression in speech referring of course to women. Still its better than Thais who say they are going to 'pai ha dek'.
But your point is taken. This is certainly not a sexist site.
(This was posted earlier but I inadvertently wrote Christy in the name box. It should of course have gone out in my own name)
AD I hate PC too and am often called a racist for my strong beliefs about heritage being the impetus for most behaviors. But calling grown women ""girls"" is demeaning and reinforces the total sexualization of them. I notice also the term women seems to seems to be considered rude or nasty. We are ""girls,"" if young and fuckable, or ""ladies"" if not. Never just,… ..people.
The important thing, Christy, is the revelations Drummond is coming up with. It's not a sexist site as far as I can tell so need for the sensitivity. Far more sexist stuff on farangtalk and subzero
We are ""girls,"" if young and fuckable, or ""ladies"" if not. Never just,… ..people.
Glad Christy cleared that up…
Christy, I have the strongest objection to be called ""the wife"" or the ""mrs"" lol. We appear to be splitting hairs here… woman, gals, girls, even the Scottish word ""Hen"" doesnt worry me lol!
Drew likes to pretend he knows the thai language. At best his thai is of bar standard. He sends a thai message to a filipino lady. And says it wrong. Som nam na Drew Noyes. Where he writes tips on Thai religion at http://sites.google.com/site/thailandlegalandvisaservices/how-religion-guides-thais where he writes
Yes, You are a Sexy Man!
Where else in the world can you be considered tall at 5’ 7�, a millionaire with US $25,000 in the bank or handsome with a bald head? Thai people see you as sexy or handsome if you look clean and “smart.� A smile and a good attitude will get you laid or make you popular! Really Drew. Doesnt work out so well for filipino employees does it? If any body with simple thai knows he just completly gets the thai wrong throughout this sex and religion guide by 'thai expert' Drew Noyes.Good for a laugh to see a sociopathic sexpats view on Thailand. Sounds like he got together with old friend DIRTY DOG for that one.Niels Colov is already being burnt by association so he must be going to screw him big time.
Ned Plug doesnt get it. Noyes is a sociopath therefore he has a complete callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy. He wont be shamed into anything, does not possess that feeling.Well done to this girl for taking him on. He must have confused her with a buddhist thai who doesnt want to cause fuss and worry about things. No this catholic filipina is not taking threats from this stupid old Americano and believes in what is right.Strong girl, a bit like the filipino boxer Drew was posing with.Credit to old Joe as well and Elena whose life Drew threatened. And Andrew himself despite being threatened by influential people. Must be time for some pattaya men to stand up to this conman. Or maybe they are more concerned with perfecting their spring roll recipes.This Drew character must be stupid though,everytime he threatens the girl she tells Andrew Drummond and he tells everybody. No doubt if Drew meets the senator he will spin it into photo oppurtunity and report in his newspaper that they are working together to stamp out sexual predators.
No Remorse… You are right, my first comment doesn't ""get it."" I keep assuming that even a lowlife like Noyes will at some point realize that it's time to cut his losses. But, as you pointed out, Noyes is a sociopath who never had any dignity in the first place, so why should it bother him to be dragged through the mud?
No remorse, no regrets, i am a sociopath.. wrote the truth the whole truth and… Please be aware there is a lot of activity by enough people to not let this go away quietly. It is better to prepare unnoticed. Things do take time to unfold, and it is unfolding at various location at the same time. I have been told by my fly on the wall that there is a ""Tsunami"" on the way which will wipe him of the map, completely and this Tsunami comes from many sites. He plays with the wrong people but that did not sink in yet.
The never ending story continues much to the delight of all except perhaps to the main player in this tale.Player certainly being the correct word to use in my opinion.Did Mr Noyes tell his unwary imported employees at the interview stage they would be required to work under the boss even outside the hours of 9 to 5 and exactly what that work would entail.I suspect not.Shame on you Drew.The only thing from Manila in your office that you should of been thinking about licking was the envelopes.
Stay strong Filipina Lady.The Truth is plain to see.
Well unlike Drew's fantasy resume the senator's looks impressive http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen_bio/revillajr_bio.asp
Khonmask….. Great info, an info package just arrived in his e-mail box someone told me. More concerned people should write to him.
You guys speaking in riddles?
Pat Angko, I certainly hope that a ""TSUNAMI"" is about to wash Drew out to sea, but I am slightly troubled by these kinds of speculations. It would be so much better to hear about a done-deal, like Drew has been arrested, deported, or had his Pulitzer prize revoked. Yes, there is a shitstorm of the world's worst publicity about him on the internet now, but what of substance has really occurred? AD's reports and the comments here of ""Noyes is gonna get it"" are somewhat akin to stories in the Pattaya Times like ""Andrew Drummond being Investigated by Cyber Police""… ""Andrew Drummond About to be Arrested by Cyber Police""… ""Cyber Police now REALLY PISSED OFF at Andrew Drummond and plan to Crucify him after Songkran."" Andrew, I LOVE YOU, but isn't this last article about the Philippine Senator being ""Asked to Investigate"" representative of The Pattaya Times brand of journalism? An official being asked to do something is hardly news and wouldn't it be better to wait until if and when the Senator comments on the case or takes action? Understand that I am totally supportive of the cause, but creeps like Noyes, while behaving totally outrageously, put all actions of their adversaries under a microscope.
Ned Pflug: No in no way is it a type of 'Pattaya Times' journalism. I have indicated in the story that there was a strong wait and see element. I further agreed with Rose who decided to withhold comment until she had heard back from the senator. But I thought it worthy of note that this girl had taken this action off her own back, without any prompting (apart from by perhaps DN himself) and thought she should be congratulated about it.
I am certainly not saying a whirlwind is about to descend on Mr.Noyes. I am very cautious about that. I think an important point is that whirlwinds rarely descend on these people here (although DN does I understand face legal actions)They have been at it for years. Things tend to creep up on people though.
Pat Angko is doing all the whirlwind stuff at the moment.
Andrew, point taken and I am definitely in favor of anything that supports a brave person like Rose against this cowardly bully. And your statement that whirlwinds rarely descend on these characters is, unfortunately, also very true. Let's hope that Drew Noyes is the exception.
Ned Pflug, It's like an ice berg a lot happens under the surface for a good reason. If you only read the articles be patient, what festered over 12 years will not be undone in 3 months. If you want to do something about it, write the Senator, I know people who did. It is a concerted effort to dislodge this sociopath in particular. You can also wait and see how others get the job done its up to you.
Pat Angko might be full of wind….who knows.
Thanks for the update and the copy emails.It is really quite fascinating to watch the unfolding of another's dementia. Noyes' condition certainly seems to be entering a chronic phase and it may well be he now actually believes his own fantasies, deceit and outright lies to be the truth.
Rose should certainly file a complaint with the police. His grooming of her through the internet, subsequent recruitment and then attempts to exploit her all add up to nothing more than human trafficking. Thailand and the PI are both signatories to the UN protocols on this trade. Sleaze bags such as Noyes deserve it.
Lee, I suspect Noyes knows nothing about the combative nature of UK journalism. Most Americans don't realise that their own newspapers in comparison are basically anaemic. Bit like the cowardly French media.
I think we can safely assume that Noyes is being advised on UK media matters by Dirty Dog. It is possible that Noyes does not realise the News of the World no longer exists.
The attempt to blacken Andrew's character regarding his own drinking habits and social life is also a bit feeble as nearly all foreign journalists in Thailand are keen investors in the Singha beer company and cultural review bars.
That Noyes article is hilarious, is the guy so stupid to think that people will buy that? And again all he is doing is driving traffic this way. And since when do you go straight to the Supreme Court?? Has Noyes somehow arranged to suspend the Thai constitution? By continuously referring to the News of the World, he is in fact re-enforcing that Drummond is in fact an experienced professional Journalist.
Curious. At what age are males "" Men"" And at what age are females ""Women?""
Jessica,
Thisreduction of women to girls is bias and yes is so pervasive, women do it too.
I myself cannot stand having to disclose a marital status indicator within my title as is mandated by Thai law.
Again I ask; Would a male over the age of 18 be called a boy within a media article?
Is it not considered rather an insult to call a man a boy?
Newbie, forgive the offshoot discussion into female gender slang and its basis of sexism, it isn't allowed to be discussed on any other Thai based forum and as Mr Drummond continues the usage, and is printing my comments, apparently it is allowed here.
( Thank you, AD )
It is connected to the article as female sexualization bias is why Ms. Rose was considered( allegedly ) to be sexual fodder by Mr. Noyes
Curious. At what age are males "" Men"" And at what age are females ""Women?"" Jessica, Thisreduction of women to girls is bias and yes is so pervasive, women do it too. I myself cannot stand having to disclose a marital status indicator within my title as is mandated by Thai law. Again I ask; Would a male over the age of 18 be called a boy within a media article? Is it not considered rather an insult to call a man a boy? Newbie, forgive the offshoot discussion into female gender slang and its basis of sexism, it isn't allowed to be discussed on any other Thai based forum and as Mr Drummond continues the usage, and is printing my comments, apparently it is allowed here. ( Thank you, AD ) It is connected to the article as female sexualization bias is why Ms. Rose was considered( allegedly ) to be sexual fodder by Mr. Noyes""
Christy, seriously, I really couldnt give a damn at what titles I am being given at no matter what age.
Too much emphasis is placed on insignificant matters.. now back to DN, I would imagine we should sit back and watch the critter being awarded ""The Order of the Thai Empire for Humanities "" any day now.
Great interview Andrew on Pattaya 105 FM.
Great interview Drummond!! http://soundcloud.com/tom-37-3/andrew-drummond-on-pattaya
A Tsunami you write Pat.Perhaps a fitting fate for Mr Noyes who has defrauded others of far more than a drop in the ocean.And maybe apt as he continues to believe he is riding the crest of a wave.But time and tide wait for no man.And the strong tide of public opinion certainly seems to have turned against Drew.Eventually it will probably carry him far away where he will be washed up on distant shores like so much driftwood forgotten and ignored.Like Mr Angko I too was hoping a wave would be part of Mr Noyes future.A Wave Goodbye.
Could a psychopath mount a legal defense by saying “my brain made me do it�? Or my “genes made me do it�? Is this any different from saying my rotten childhood made me do it? Psychopaths know right from wrong – they just don’t care. That is what society calls “bad�, not “mad�. But if they are constitutionally incapable of caring, can they really be blamed for it? On the other hand, if psychopaths are a continuing danger to society and completely refractory to rehabilitation, what is to be done with them? Perhaps, as has been proposed in the UK, people with the extreme psychopathic personality profile should be monitored or segregated even before they commit a crime.
A person who fully understands that they are harming others and simply does not care is called a “sociopath.� A sociopath is adept at reading social cues, is very aware of the feelings of others, and knows precisely how to respond in order to get what they want. They simply do not care whether or not their words or actions harm other people or often, society in general.
Autistic (also lack empathy) people have no intention of harming or upsetting others. They simply lack the ability to read and respond to social cues. For example, while most children learn that a smile from their friend means the other child is happy through everyday social interaction, an autistic child may have difficulty understanding facial expressions.Drew can not help the way he is. He has a serious case of sociopathy. He is wired this way.Nothing will change him and despite people thinking that this forum will distress him he doesnt really feel that either.The delusions about his friends in high places he actually believes.He believes his own lies, all part of his extreme mental condition.
Drew writing about himself on one of his sites states—Civic leader and international American businessman Drew Noyes has been selected as Editor-In-Chief of Pattaya Times Media Corporation's flagship newspaper called the Pattaya Times. Drew Noyes will oversee the implementation and has recruited some of Thailand's finest journalist, editors, photographers, webmasters and graphic designers for the new Pattaya Times newspaper. —So he wrote about himself in the third person stating that he had been""selected"" as editor in chief by who? Himself.Wacko.Civil leader? A complete nutter.His beer bar in Duck square owned by civil leader Drew.One must give credit due though. How many other Pattaya bar owners can reinvent themselves as 1 of 3 American lawyers allowed to practise law in Thailand.He accomplished this incredible achievement without even being a lawyer in the States.
I am not sure that armchair psychoanalysis over the internet has much value but Drew Noyes obviously cares what others think. If he did not care he would not respond. It is also clear he has no pride nor any conscience. That is not an illness that is just an (choose your own word). To blame his bad behavior on an illness is to excuse it (whether intended or not). There is no excuse for lying about whether you are or are not an attorney. There is no excuse for lying that you were invited here by the King and there is no excuse for defrauding people. If you are sick then after your arrest you can be examined by a doctor and the court can decide. What this person is accused of by many people is fraud, sexual harassment, violation of labor laws, misrepresentation, etc. There are laws against this behavior for a reason. I realize that locals could care when foreigners screw each other but I would think his representing himself as a confidant of the King, as a Thai legal authority, as buddies with the Mayor, etc. would attract their attention. I won't make excuses for him. If I were his victim and the courts would not do anything I would surely be complaining to the US Embassy about his activities as well as nagging the local expat community and making anyone and all aware of exactly what happened to me. You may not have been aware of who he was before but you are now and any others he perpetrates his scams on are somewhat your responsibility. While I agree Andrew has done a service here there is only so much he can do and report. At some point the people who have been hurt by this guy need to take some action. They are really the only ones who can assure justice will be done. If they don't this opportunity will just fade away not with a tsunami but with a quiet wave lapping the beach.
I don't get it. If Drew helped Thailand recover from the financial crisis, why couldn't he prevent the floods? Surely that would be a small task for such a great and passionate man.
Not Drews fault … Yes, all very true, true, but why care, how to isolate him from society is the question? The very last thing to do is to feel sorry for them. Put them all on an island with a billion dollars in monopoly money and teach them role reversal so they can cheat and be cheated? Some say shaming them in public has effect some say they don't get that at all. I go for the peck and feathers treatment, let them move on preferably back to the US, let them worry about him, why us? If you have better ideas great but don't kill this messenger. Isolation is the only real option, or …… let him try to cheat some Philippinos…. The fly told me that opening a casino is considered by the two, perhaps that's the solution?